- Implementation - 86%86
- Effectiveness - 74%74
- Production Quality - 93%93
- Value for Money - 79%79
The Desire System was first launched a few years ago and has stood the test of time. Though The Social Man have since developed other products, The Desire System remains one that is central to their teaching philosophy. Incredible depth within the videos, explaining how to create base level change and become a more confident, attractive man. Biggest strength of this product is the production quality and online community.
About The Program
The Desire System is a collaboration between The Social Man and Dr. David Tian (formerly known as Asian Rake) of the Aura Dating Academy. It was launched on 26th March 2013 with a limited access of 500 memberships. The goal of the desire system (AKA The Lust Program) is to teach you how to have an abundant sex life by learning how to turn women on. It is David Tian’s personal seduction system and the one he teaches to men in Singapore.
David Tian’s Desire Course has grown in popularity since its 2013 launch, much owing to the constant stream of customer reviews which have suggested that the immersive style of the program almost guarantees results. While these reviews should settle the debate around the program once and for all, unfortunately they are often flawed. Firstly, it is human nature to exaggerate and ignore some of the pitfalls of programs. Often people who find success in programs are motivated to write up reviews and those who don’t find success are not. The end result is a plethora of positive reviews, while the actual ratio of positive to negative sits somewhere in-between. The second issue is that ,any companies have been known to pay users, bloggers or just freelancers to write up positive reviews for their programs. It is difficult for watchdogs such as ourselves to verify reviews on sites outside of Amazon as the reviews are often not linked to proof of purchase of the program. Hence, these reviewers may have never even been through the program before posting their reviews,
We analysed over 150 reviews of The Desire system and Lust by David Tian against a set of criteria to try ascertain a credibility score across the board. By matching reviewer’s claims against the content of the programs we were able to verify that atlas 83% of the reviews contained inside knowledge of the programs suggesting that they have been through the program videos. Of the 83% verified reviews, only 14% contained massively exaggerated claims or claims that go beyond the intentions of the program – Leaving us a sample of 108 trustworthy reviews within which to examine the David Tian’s Program.
Unsurprisingly, our findings indicate that this program is amongst the most effective programs on the market adjusted for commitment. This means that if you commit the time intended on the program, which is about one hour per day, you have a very high chance of achieving the results offered in the program. That said, The Desire System does not promise a magic pill. David Tian, a master in his field, understands that without hard work you will get nowhere – and with hard work, your progress will be slow and steady. These are your only two options according to David Tian, there is no fast track to success with women.
The program aims to transform men away from their nervous ways with women over the course of three months, with daily videos, exercises and instruction split into weekly categories.
The Desire System is split up into two main parts (The Desire System and Lust) with four subsections in The Desire System and two subsections in Lust.
About The Author
David Tian was born in Taiwan to a conservative Christian Taiwanese family and spent his early developmental years growing up in Kansas City, Missouri and then later Toronto, Canada. In his late 20’s, after obtaining a PHD in Asain Cultures from The University of Michigan and following a divorce from his first wife he left Canada for China to further his studies. He later again moved to Singapore to take up a position as a professor in the Department of Philosophy at the National University of Singapore. He has held numerous academic fellowships, including from Princeton, Harvard, Tsinghua University in Beijing, Peking University, The Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada, the University of Toronto and McGill University.
In August 2011 he resigned from his professorship to form Aura Dating Academy in Singapore and pursue his calling as a Dating Coach. David quickly rose to relative national fame in Singapore, known as Doctor Date and dubbed the ‘Hitch’ of Singapore. He has appeared numerous times on both national and international news and similar broadcasts and is well respected as a dating coach (as apposed to a Pick Up Artist). David prides himself of an academic and intellectual approach to attraction and seduction and boasts of in-depth research into neuroscience, psychology, biology, sociology, literature, philosophy, history, and the behavioural sciences in forming his dating programs. His other products include The Girlfriend Activation System, which we have reviewed on our site.
The Desire System
Part One: Introduction
– Who is Dr David Tian and how did he come to develop the Desire System? Meet the nerdy academic turned seductive ladies man here. In this section David Tian gives in depth insight into the history of the seduction and self help movements as well as a look into his own life and how he came about making incredible life changes. This short segment gives the viewer a chance to get comfortable with David Tian and his expertise, laying a path to a healthy learning relationship with this teacher.
Part Two: The System in Action
– Lets waste no time: David demonstrates the Desire System in action, and explains how simple it is to use it. This segment is meant to calm learner’s fears and worries about the system by laying out the basics and foundations and allowing the learner to view the entirety of the system in it’s full simplicity. David uses in field footage and demonstration to show just how easy it is to master The Desire System once the foundations are taken to heart.
Part Three: The Science of Attraction
– What is attraction? David starts with the very foundations of attraction, revealing the latest in what science has to say. The Desire System is deeply rooted in scientific developments with regards to attraction, and so David Tian takes you through some of these developments and findings and explains how they are engrained in the system and how they are applicable to you. Dr Tian takes great lengths here to explain the scientific findings in terms of common social interaction and also explains at length which old notions have now been dismissed by new evidence. This segment is one that sets The Desire System apart from other programs in the market in that it takes a true analytical approach to attraction that translates precisely and magnificently into real world situations and common psyche.
Part Four: The Approach
– Starting a conversation doesn’t have to be hard. As a matter of fact, David is going to show you the stress-free way to make a perfect first impression on a girl… with just a few simple words. This segment delves into the dynamics of the approach, giving insights into what gives rise to approach anxiety and how to overcome it, as well as addressing some of the more subtle nuances at play during an approach that can be the difference between a flirtatious interaction and a flat out rejection. In this segment David goes over his hard and soft rules when approaching women and sets out an approach mindset (not plan) that is bound to get you laid. David’s treatment of approach as mindset based is quite revolutionary within seduction programs and helps keep the affects of this program non-creepy. Instead of going out to approach, as old-school seduction programs would have you do, David teaches a mindset that sees approach as a natural part of daily life as an attractive man – Powerful stuff.
Part Five: Connection
– Seduction takes trust, and trust takes a connection. In this section, David will show you how to rapidly build an exciting, heartfelt connection with a woman by utilising some powerful inner and outer game techniques. Again, as a trained professional, Dr Tian avoids creepy town by giving real world advice that has its roots in more conventional psychology. In my opinion, this doesn’t have any negative effect on effectiveness, infact a more honest approach to building connections and rapport with women, away from silly gambits and weird tricks, is always welcome in my book. The point of the system is to build you up as a truly honest man with integrity, not a slimy creep looking to trick women into your bed.
Part Six: Humor & Vulnerability
– How do you build that “spark” with a woman? David and science have the answer: humour and vulnerability. Learn some of David’s best techniques in this section as David borrows tried and tested techniques from famous comedians, humour analyses and infield experience. Dr Tian provides a plan here not only to appear more humorous, but to actually become a more likeable person by developing your ‘humour bone’ at the same time as opening up to attractive vulnerabilities that men should posses. This section takes a holistic view of that attraction process by acknowledging the integral part that humour and vulnerability play.
Part Seven: Jason Capital on Sexual Tension
– Friend and fellow dating coach Jason Capital joins to discuss the power of sexual tension, and how to use it to make women want you. Sexual Tension, also known as temperature, lies in the hidden power of sub communication. Jason Capital explains how you can get a women super attracted to you without even saying a word. Sexual tension lies in your mindset approach to women and understanding once you have your eye on a woman how to tease her, single her out and get her excited for you so that she build strong, unbreakable sexual attraction to you. This section veers away from David Tians approach to seduction as a mindset a little bit by giving hard techniques to use in the field, some which may be considered as gimmicks or tricks, but it is nice to get a different perspective inside the program and some of these techniques are proven as really effective.
Part Eight: Sexuality
– Its time to go for it… and with David’s super-smooth escalation techniques, you’ll lead her into an exciting, blissful sexual adventure. In this section it appears as if Dr Tian borrows allot from Vin Dicarlo’s renowned ‘Escalation Ladder’ but works to improve and smoothen the techniques to help learners become less rigid and more confident in their escalation to sex. While this part of the game often goes overlooked, it is an important part of the system as men are often met with LMR (Last Minute Resistance) when closing the deal with a women. Pay attention here and avoid settling for a sad cuddle.
Part Nine: On Neediness
– The Desire System works when you’re feeling pure, good emotions… but what if fear, nervousness or neediness get in the way. David troubleshoots here. In this section David explains the necessity for developing a zen like samurai mind engrained with all the workings of a confident, successful and attractive man. These concepts are by far the hardest to fully grasp in the program, but arguably (and certainly in my experience) the most important part of the puzzle. Learning to overcome the root problems at the bottom of nervousness and neediness is the closest thing to a magic pill on this earth, and David explain some solid psychological techniques and plans to get there. With a solid focus on this section, you can skip out on a lot of self-help books around this issues and get straight to working on building yourself up.
Part Ten: On Self-Esteem
– It wouldn’t be a Social Man program if they weren’t helping you improve you confidence and your life. David saves the best for last in Desire’s conclusion and shows you how to build a rock-solid self-esteem that permeates throughout all aspects of your life, not just your seductive and social life. David gives you tried and proven techniques to build an attractive self image and belief that will carry you through your life happy, healthy and successful.
Part One: Introduction
– Dr. David Tian jumps right into the thick of it – The stages of sexual relationships and the path to confidence and masculine independence. In this section David helps you discover your optimal relationship style and teaches you how to manage expectations so you (and your partners) can get what they want out of your relationship. This relationship management section is paired with confidence and masculinity as David explains their integral role in managing your relationships as a confident, masculine man.
Part Two: Personality Conditioning
– In this highly controversial lecture, David shares his techniques for conditioning a person’s personality to adapt to you expectations. These are powerful techniques rooted in NLP that can shift a persons beliefs through sublet coercion. David explains that these techniques can be powerful and detrimental if not used with absolute integrity. Use with caution.
Part Three: On Love
– What’s love got to do with sex and relationships? In this chapter, David will flip your understanding of love upside down, giving you more power and independence. This segment is less wishy-washy-lovey-dovey than you’d expect. Dr Tian explains the great science of love and what love can do for you in your pursuit of happiness and liberty. This single lecture changed my outlook and approach to love. Love is by far a central tenant of my approach to life now.
Part Four: On Relationships
– Why would women want one-night-stands, and what kind of relationships do you want? David share another proven set of revelations in this section around relationships. Learn how to manage the more fringe relationships: One night stands, booty calls, f-buddies, multiple girlfriends etc.
Part Five: David Wygant on The Seductive Mindset
– Friend of David’s , and world-renowned dating coach David Wygant joins us to talk about the mindset of a seductive man… and shares a mantra for the ages. This is a truly powerful lecture as David Wygant delves into the deeper workings of what makes the most attractive men on earth what they are. This section explains how little a part physical elements play and how big a part more subtle working elements play. Great lecture, one I have watched numerous times when I’m feeling low, and it gives me a huge confidence boost.
Part Six: Adam Lyons on Dating Technique
– Master dating coach Adam Lyons joins us and pulls no punches, revealing a technique that will blow your mind as well as a very special surprise at the end. Adam Lyon is an energetic and enthusiastic speaker and a joy to watch dominate the floor. He is extremely knowledgeable, having been one of England’s first major dating coaches and having watched the industry develop for years. You’d do well to take this guy’s advice to heart, as well as do your best to absorb his brilliant persona.
Part Seven: Hypnotica on The Dominant Man
– The legendary Hypnotica joins us to reveal the mindset of a dominant man, how to create unique sexual experiences, and a panoply of techniques that you’ve never heard before. Hypnotic brings with him an extensive background in hypnotism and NLP to reveal some of the hidden powers in language. In this lecture he provides some awesome insight into the inner workings of the mind and the great power of influence in shaping our beliefs, and helping us shape others’.
Part Eight: The Techniques & Conclusion
– It’s been a long day, and David closes it off with a final section of amazing, addictive sexual techniques. This is his final segment of the program and he lets out some last minute tips to remember to make you a rock solid stud in the bedroom. By this point you should have a solid foundational understanding of the program and be sleeping with girls with ease. David helps you explore the outer limits of your sexual life and helps you take control in your desires.
The bonuses you get with The Desire System depends on which package or focus you choose. The three different packages; Confidence, Seductive and Relationship, are meant to help you choose what you want to get out of the program and give direction to your learning. You get to choose the bonus package that best suits you – This is quite unique for a dating product and a very clever and innovative way of shaping the course.
The Confidence Package
– Choose this package if you’re looking to boost your confidence, assertiveness and status. This package is all about inner game, and looks to help develop rock solid inner game foundations. If you’re generally alright at talking to women, but often feel that its your lack of confidence letting you down, then this is the package for you.
- The Social Matrix
- Learn the hidden dynamics of social situations and how to master them.
- Assertive Approaching
- Learn how to approach women confidently, know what to say and how to close.
- Complete Confidence Hypnosis
- Audio – Let a trained hypnotist take you on a relaxing journey of confidence building. Really amazing bonus to be included here.
- When You Feel Like You’re Not Good Enough
- This motivational guide sets straight the concept of human and masculine value, and shows you where yours lies.
- The Ten Spot
- Bonus by the talented Ten Game, learn some confidence gimmicks that will give you an instant boost.
The Seductive Package
– This package focuses on the art and techniques of seduction and attraction. Choose this program is your confidence and self esteem is in decent tact, but you sometimes struggle with the ‘how’ of picking up women. This package digs deep into the science behind attraction and seduction, and lays out a roadmap to becoming naturally seductive through practice.
- Endless Conversations
- Small talk made sexy, never run out of things to say as you follow this guides approach to chit chat.
- The Art of Seduction
- Learn from masters as far back as Casanova, this guide lays out the science of seduction and the art of its practice. A truly theoretical look at what makes people tick sexually.
- The Coffee Shop Drill
- This gimmick/ routine helps you pick up women in coffee shops, or other relaxes public situations.
- The Bombing Opener
- Another gimmick, helps you easily open women even when you are nervous.
- Holiday Hookups
- If you’re going on holiday soon, or live in a vacation city, then this guide is for you. Learn the ins and outs of summer flings, how to master the casual relationship with a time limit.
- Friends into Lovers
- If you’re stuck in the friend zone, this guide will attempt to help you navigate out of those shaky waters. Learn how to reframe your relationships so that they fit your expectations, not hers.
- Sexual Texting
- Where you thinking of buying a texting guide too? David Tian has included one here as a bonus, learn the texts that turn women on. Hope to open, close, and everything in between.
- The Frame Control Bible
- Frame control is a concept they’ll touch on in the main part of this course, but this addendum truly helps set out the topic in the clearest terms. Learn how to control your frame in any situation.
- The Model Challenge Screen
- Self explanatory title, this product is for those who’d like to pick up models. Its a challenge, but its doable with a little guidance.
- The Breathtaking Hello
- This bonus is a full book on its own – This book focuses on the approach and initial conversation. Truly brilliant bonus that could stand alone as its own product.
The Relationship Package
If you’re comfortable with attraction, and you’ve got a decent self esteem, but now its time to get into a relationship and master the dynamics of it, this is the package for you. Learn the ins and outs of relationships and how to create ones with awesome dynamics and boundaries.
- Lustworthy Sex
- A sexual guide that could be a standalone product, learn from sources as wide as the karma sutra on how to perform int he bedroom for screaming nights.
- The 7 Commandments of Dating 9’s and 10’s
- A short book that lays out the foundations for any high status relationship. Learn how to control the dynamics so that your relationship flows smoothly and happily.
Peek Inside The Program
Pros & Cons
The program is above all holistic
– It takes a well rounded, no BS view of masculine development and attraction. It finds a good solid balance between scientifically backed theory and field proven technique. This is a major advantage over other programs, such as Texting/ Phone Game programs, Approach programs or Testosterone supplements that aim to treat symptoms rather than cause. This is the main factor that I’d like to et cross in this Desire System Review. The Desire System treats seduction and attraction as it should be – As the result of multifaceted improvements to ones own being – while providing enough technique to send one into the world confidently while practicing the deeper levels of change.
Dr David Tian is a great speaker and teacher
– In the past it has really grinder my gears to have to sit through hours of videos of some geek fidgeting around the room, speaking out of his nose and reciting great theorems he developed by reading thousands of PUA forums and never actually getting out into the world. With David literally none of that is a problem. David is first and foremost an academic, having held academic teaching positions and having obtained a PHD in Asian Cultures and Philosophy, he is intelligent, sharp and understands the central tenants of teaching. This is not to be undervalued – The cleverest man in the world is useless to us unless he can teach. David has great charisma and energy when teaching and is able to sum up big concepts into nice little digestible chunks. I didn’t get bored even once going through the hours of footage in this program,.. Ok maybe once when Hypnotica was babbling on in his hypnotic voice – But otherwise, David is really cool, funny and enjoyable to watch teach.
The members area website is brilliant
– The members area of the website is really well designed and brilliantly built. In my time their i did not run into one glitch or error. All your programs are provided in order, easily accessible from any computer or point in the world. The website rewards you with ‘Achievements’ (like boy-scout badges) for completing various tasks and steps in the program. Psychologically these rewards really motivate one to keep coming back and timelessly complete the program. For me this was a great and unique addition to the program and something I have not seen in any other program of this kind.
The Community & The Feedback
– Im not sure how they’ve achieved this as so many have failed before them, but The Social Man team has managed to build and maintain a thriving members only community, much like I imagine the original Mystery forum was minus all the creepy magicians. People are constantly posting hurdles, solutions, revelations, progress dairies and results and David Tian and his team are constantly responding with advice, encouragement and affirmation. Its really cool to see a community that’s there to help each other grow and become the best they can without judgement and with a common interest. There are many great PUA forums around the web, but The Social Man Members Only forum really hits the nail on the head. Everyone is there with the certain integrity you need to involve yourself in The Desire System and so you don’t find many of the nerdy, icky gooey types that you do on other forums. I must admit, this is easily one of my favourite things about the program – Ongoing personalised advice from coaching professionals and a super supportive and cool community.
The Social Man team is constantly improving their existing programs instead of churning out new programs to make money – And if you’ve bought a program, you’re given all the updated content free for life. This is really cool of them. In the past two years they have done two major updates to The Desire System, adding new videos and rerecording old lectures in better quality and with updated content. The cool thing about this is that you can finish the program and then come back a year later and have a whole new program at your fingertips to even master yourself further.
At $67, The Desire System is by far at the low end of dating programs in terms of price. Often dating programs can (unjustifiably) cost thousands of dollars. Its great to see a Dating company pricing their products fairly. Against their competition’s prices, The Social Man could of priced The Desire System at 5x it’s current price and easily got away with it. This is a major pro for cash strapped lads such as ourselves.
The Desire System is not a quick fix
Unfortunately The Desire System is not an overnight program – heck there’s even more than 36 hours of videos to get through over time – Unless you’re willing to really commit the time and effort to see serious change, than this program is not for you. There are many programs on the internet that promise fast acting results, the sort of ‘get you laid quick’ programs. These programs are able to get you laid quick by giving you a very shallow and short lived set of tricks and routines to run on girls. If you don’t have the time, or don’t care about long term results and deeper change than rather pick up one of these programs, as unless you really dive deep into The Desire System it will be useless to you.
Its not a problem for most but those with very slow bandwidth may struggle streaming the videos online which can’t be downloaded. EDIT: After further investigation The Social Man team have informed me that customers can email them to obtain a download code for the videos.
The bonuses are a bit unnecessary/ random
Understandably it is difficult to release a program without bonuses these days as that is what consumers have come to expect, its all part of the package, but the bonuses that come with The Desire System are really a bit useless. They’ve packed all of their good stuff into their main program and so the bonuses are a bit fluffy and unnecessary. That said, in many senses it is better to put all the good stuff in the main program, so perhaps this is not such a con but in my opinion all the bonuses (besides the trail of The Way of The Rake) are unnecessary,
See David Tian in Action
The Bottom Line
Though no program will ever be perfect, The Desire System is arguably the best value for money product I’ve ever reviewed. At $67 you’ll be hard done by finding a fully immersive program anywhere near that price. Beyond it’s price, it is effective, holistic and emotionally mature and would bid well for people of all skill levels. Those further along their journey might find allot of overlap and repetition of previous knowledge in this program as David Tian goes through the pains of explaining the basics. That said, David teaches from a refreshingly honest and mature angle and goes far beyond the basics without ever losing touch of the human element. The Desire System is a solid program by all accounts and so gets the BeBe stamp of approval.
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